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Posted - 2008.09.09 03:09:00 -
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Edited by: Synapse Archae on 09/09/2008 03:09:30
What if you could search an any character, deleted or not, and find all characters past and present who are either on the same account, or the account is owned by the same player?
The player's real name or any RL information would not be shown, obviously, but all characters you control or have controlled would be permanently logged and shown as one linked group.
Some interesting benefits:
1. Spies have to actually go BE in the enemy alliance/corp instead of just using an alt. Raises the value and risk, and arguably the fun, of being a spy.
2. The end of alt-forum posting (yay)
3. Scammers would have to hide from or deal with the resulting reputation.
4. Enough trust could be built to support real banking and stocks.
Honestly I see very little bad that could come from it.
What does the forum think? Discuss.
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Posted - 2008.09.09 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: TheG2
Well, for the record, we already have several banks.
But theres no real difference to the real world. In the real world, I can create fake ID's, or even steal someones identity to commit fraud or scams.
Although alt-posting should be brought to an end and the use of Alts for everything in-game ruins some aspects (sec status penalties have hauler alts for example)
Taking loans out from those banks is difficult because you have to give them collateral to get loans, because otherwise they can't find you if you run off with their money.
In the real world you can indeed create fake ids, but the fakeness only goes so far, and you can't delete the original you.
Perhaps one could bribe pirate agents with a huge sum to unlink a character from your association, effectively creating a fake ID. It should be expensive and have its own difficulties though.
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Posted - 2008.09.09 04:43:00 -
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Edited by: Synapse Archae on 09/09/2008 04:51:04
Linking separate accounts could be done with a combination of billing data. GTCs would represent an issue to be overcome. Some development would have to be done, but not an insurmountable or even really difficult amount of work. I do program and I do work in software so I'm not totally speaking out of my ass here.
IP address, while not admissable in court, could conceivably play a part in an algorythm, so long as it wasn't heavily relied upon.
To create an alt beyond this would be certainly possible, but would require a separate shipping address, a separate credit card with a separate billing address, a separate email address, and a Pseudonym which wouldn't break Eve's EULA...If a scam breaks the EULA, you could back that up with threats of GM's banning your account and redestributing stolen isk, if theres enough of it. I wouldnt want to see GM's running around playing utopia for every lost 10m. Stealing tens of billions would still be fine so long as you didn't break the EULA to do it.
I'd call that a significant increase to the trustworthyness of people.
I don't want to remove or prohibit scamming or spying. I just want both to be tied to a real threat of reputation. A good spy will be able to cast enough doubt to rebuild his career. A good theif should only have to steal once to be set for life. A good scammer will find scams that people don't run a background check before they jump in (10x your isk anyone?)
A healthy dose of trust would make an evil, dark, world that much more evil and dark, when scammers and theives go on to build their own corps with no regrets.
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Posted - 2008.09.09 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
The OP is basing this topic on the premise that people only have one account.
Many people in this game have multiple accounts and it's really not that expensive to start another account for your spy toon if you really wanted to.
Next time, read the actual post.
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Posted - 2008.09.09 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
Quote me where I'm wrong please. I read the whole post and what I said is factually true. Multiple accounts is a complete and total workaround for what you are talking about.
Please have completely thought out ideas before hitting the post button.
From the first line:
Originally by: Synapse Archae
...,or the account is owned by the same player?
Post #14 is entirely about elaborating on that point. Like I said, please read my posts first.
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Posted - 2008.09.09 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ruze
Originally by: Soleramnus
An even more interesting question would be if people felt what they did in the game world had weight on their conscience in the real world.
Why should it, though?
While I understand someone who has personal moral codework that they don't wish to upset (like me and how I feel about theft or scamming), I also think that EvE is still a game, to be treated as such.
Killing someone in a video game doesn't make you a homicidal maniac. Of course, it's also how far you take it, and your mentality while doing so. Are you killing new players and getting a b*ner while your at it, working up a sick sweat? Yeah, you might have problems.
But I'll pop another ship over a cup of tea and it's not a big thing. There's no menace to it, very little emotion involved. To me, it's something to do.
I don't think having to stick with a single character would drag your conscience into it any more than the current mechanics do. It's still a personality entirely separate from your own. The difference would be that you'd have to take more long term consideration about the reputation of your persona.
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Posted - 2008.09.09 05:28:00 -
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Edited by: Synapse Archae on 09/09/2008 05:30:24
I don't know how much more direct I can be. There was a basic addressing of multiple accounts on the first line of the first post. If you want to discuss, then you'd better be up to date. If you don't want to discuss, then don't post. It's that simple. You're wasting both of our time here.
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Posted - 2008.09.09 05:46:00 -
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GTCs would be something to be fixed, they would have to be changed a little to have this system.
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Posted - 2008.09.09 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: chiisai sakana
I'd say this is a quite pathetic attempt to make other follow stupid rules when you can't keep yourself from being scammed etc .
And stupid people will always exist and those other people will always find a way to take advantage of them. The real world isn't perfect for everyone and eve will not be either.
Has nothing to do with this at all. Mostly it has to to with the trust required to build things like:
working stock market
a complicated banking and futures system
player run insurance companies
rental companies (rent a fleet battleship!)
All of these would be very cool, but none of that works when identity is as malleable as it currently is. Identity in real life is also malleable, but not as much, and in life all these systems flourish. Clearly there's some point in the middle at which people would decide there's enough trust to make complicated monetary systems worth the risk to build.
Preventing alt scouts, alt posting, and "easy mode" spies who don't actually have to play in their host alliance are mostly side benefits.
I do think it would be cool to see spies who actually have to play in the enemy alliance and go on their fleet ops to get intel, rather than just putting an untrained alt in to read email. Hopefully a skills improvement in intelligence would let you bug the enemy communications nets and get the same benefit without the hacky workaround of a fake alt character.
Many people are correct though that linking accounts even with credit card or shipping address might not be enough. I'm not quite sure what a better solution would be, or if it would be neccessary. All you need after all is MORE trust, not absolute trust. As I pointed out earlier, these systems work in the real world without absolute trust, but just more of it. I think it's plausable that requiring alt spies to be on a second credit card at a second address might be a high enough barrier to access to build trust needed for complicated banking to flourish.
I for one, have always been dying to see a stock market in Eve. Dr Eyjo or whatever his name is (cant spell it) could give you a better lay out of exactly how much trust would be required, but I think it would be incredibly cool.
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Posted - 2008.09.09 21:43:00 -
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God forbid you might actually have to take responsibility for what you say in a video game. I think it might lead to people actually thinking before they post.
Net neutrality doesn't extend to fictional characters, guys. That's not an issue here.
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